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Comments on House-level battery backup now, solar panels later -- what do I need to know?

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House-level battery backup now, solar panels later -- what do I need to know? Question

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In the last few years my area has seen increased power outages -- usually a few hours, occasionally longer. I'd like to defend against these better so that a poorly-timed outage doesn't ruin my whole day. I'm thinking, in particular, of whole-house battery backup.

I know that this kind of battery is routinely part of solar systems (else your solar panels wouldn't be much good at night). I do want to upgrade to solar, but my roof is nearing the end of its life and I don't want to have to pay for installing panels, then lifting them for a new roof, and then reinstalling them. I'm willing to wait until it's time to replace the roof anyway and then add solar panels.

What can I do in the meantime to improve my backup-power situation? Ideally I would like to be able to power heat or cooling, the fridge, some lights, and a few computers for up to 24 hours in the event of a power outage. If I buy the battery part of a solar system now, then am I risking expensive incompatibility in a few years when it's time to add the panels? Or is the risk there something that a qualified electrician could handle for me? Is there some other UPS-like system that I could wire into my house?

I don't want to hook up a gas-powered generator. In addition to the extra maintenance hassles there, I live in a city, the neighbors are close, and generators are loud.

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Any bundles or deals? (2 comments)
the neighbors are close, and generators are loud (3 comments)
the neighbors are close, and generators are loud
manassehkatz‭ wrote over 1 year ago

In an outage, people understand if there are loud generators going. The worst that will happen is that they may ask to borrow some refrigerator space. The real problem is that a small generator is always going to be a manual switchover - a 10 minute process if the generator is kept in a proper working location (i.e., not in the garage - you can't run the generator in the garage) but problematic if you have to do it in bad weather. But a whole-house generator is big and expensive, so not something you'll want to do as a short-term fix.

matthewsnyder‭ wrote over 1 year ago

After shopping around a bit, I got a generator that can do ~3kW (that's the usable power, forget what exactly they call it) for about $300. It's the size of a small suitcase and the noise is not that bad (if it helps, "inverters" are generators with lower noise). I mean, you're not writing your thesis on medieval poetry sitting next to it, but most of my power tools are louder. As manassehkatz‭ says, I think that in this situation the neighbors can deal with the noise. Earplugs are $2 at the convenience store.

As I understand it, batteries are an expensive part of a solar setup, so I'd expect them to be multiple orders of magnitude more expensive. I suspect some solar installers probably offer package deals, and you might miss out on those by buying them separately. So perhaps the generator is worth considering after all?

manassehkatz‭ wrote over 1 year ago

YMMV. But 3kW is probably not enough for most people for a partial-house generator. The trick is handling the large loads when you need them. Just refrigerator, computers, etc. will be fine. Once you add almost any level of HVAC, 3kW is going to be a problem. If you don't have gas as an option for cooking then almost any small appliance (forget full-sized ovens) will use ~ 1500W for a short time (toaster, microwave oven, etc.) Personally, I found a good deal on a 7.5kW generator and I am reasonably confident that can run everything I need at once except dryer or oven. The big cost is connecting it properly - in my case it was (past) time for a panel replacement and built it into that (interlock) but there are a lot of variables involved. Another thing to consider is 120V/240V. A 3kW might be 120V only - if so it can only power 1/2 the panel (normally) which can complicate things. Larger generators typically include a 240V connection.