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Welcome to the staging ground for new communities! Each proposal has a description in the "Descriptions" category and a body of questions and answers in "Incubator Q&A". You can ask questions (and get answers, we hope!) right away, and start new proposals.

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Experiment: indicating interest and expertise

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A healthy community requires both activity and people. The Incubator Q&A category is the place to build activity (and Meta is the place to flesh out issues that come up in doing so), but we'd also like to have a way to gauge interest. What replaces the "I'm interested" entries from the old system?

As an experiment, we've added the following three reaction types for proposal descriptions:

  • Active user: I will participate actively in this community, both here in the incubator and after launch.

  • Casual browser: I will browse activity in this community and participate occasionally, both here in the incubator and after launch.

  • Subject matter expert: I have expertise in topics covered by this site.

What's "active"? This is somewhat subjective, but, broadly speaking, we'd expect active users of a community to visit more days than not, look for questions to answer, and ask questions. Obviously this depends on other people -- there need to be questions to answer -- but these first two are about intentions. Do you expect to visit and participate most days? That's active. Are you interested enough that you'll keep coming back and looking around, but less frequently? That's casual browsing.

The last one is a different dimension. Having at least a few experts can make a big difference in helping a community to grow, particularly if they're also active. If you consider yourself to have expertise in some aspect of the proposed community, please let us know.

As I said, these reactions are an experiment. If we need to tweak them or add more, we can do that. Please try it out and let us know if you have ideas for improvements. If, over time, you find your feelings changing, no worries -- you can retract or change your reactions at any time.

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This is cool, I'm curious to see how the experiment will turn out!

I've thought about bringing up this kind of thing before. It's neat that the CD team had the same idea, and even developed it more! :) I ended up not posting it because I had some doubts.

Given that reacting to a post is a very low effort action, I think it's inevitable that it will overestimate how much activity there would be if the site is created. For example, some people who are interested may have indicated interest a year ago, and stopped browsing the site 6 months ago.

Since we have the Incubator, I think that's a much better gauge of real interest. It's also more direct, since interest is expressed by actually creating realistic content rather than merely promising to do so.

But now that I think about it, I can see how one might find it less exciting to post in the incubator rather than a full site, since the latter implies a better visibility and more focused userbase. So the incubator is not perfect either, it is more of an underestimate.

So we will now have one indicator that is optimistic (the reactions) and one that is pessimistic (the incubator posts) - that actually sounds pretty good for trying to gauge true interest!

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trichoplax‭ wrote 10 months ago · edited 10 months ago

That's an interesting point you raise about people who were interested a year ago not necessarily still being engaged. This makes me wonder if it might be useful for reactions to have different behaviour here than on other communities.

For example, a "casual user" reaction could disappear a month after it is added, and an "active user" reaction could disappear a week after it is added. This way the number of reactions shows how many people are currently engaged to the extent they claim.

  • I will only show in the "casual user" count if I drop in at least once a month to add the reaction again.
  • I will only show in the "active user" count if I add the reaction each week.
  • If I add both reactions, and then I don't get around to visiting the site for a couple of weeks, I will still show in the "casual user" count but not the "active user" count (until I visit and react again).
trichoplax‭ wrote 10 months ago

I understand this is a burden to keep applying reactions, but it seems like a more up to date measure of how strongly people feel about getting the community going, and how enduring that feeling is.

matthewsnyder‭ wrote 10 months ago

Here's my idea for a solution: https://meta.codidact.com/posts/289288

trichoplax‭ wrote 10 months ago

Thanks for expanding the idea. I've added an answer there with an alternative idea that it made me think of, but maybe parts of both could be used in parallel.

Lundin‭ wrote 7 months ago

I think that if you launch a site idea and there is not an immediate burst of interest and activity, with lots of people posting Q&A or meta discussions, then that will probably still be the case some 6-12 months later. So rather than speaking just about reactions decaying, perhaps the whole site proposal should decay and get moved to some "freezer" containing things that never kicked off. What was said during the failed launch is still of interest for future readers though, in case someone wishes to renew the idea or avoid repeating the same mistakes etc.

matthewsnyder‭ wrote 7 months ago

Why would you move it to a freezer? That seems user-hostile.

Having the proposal at all is valuable, even if it never graduates into an actual site, because then people can still ask and answer questions in the incubator. Since the distribution of activity is always that most sites have less, we can expect that most proposals will never have enough users to justify creating a site. But that doesn't mean you should lock down the proposal and prevent those users from having their discussion.

IMO "stale" proposal should just be allowed to be stale. Maybe the proposals list can be sorted by last activity in the proposal tag, to help with people browse it.

trichoplax‭ wrote 7 months ago

I like this idea of sorting the proposals list by last activity in the proposal tag. It seems a good compromise between freezing and staying at the top of the list when inactive.

Lundin‭ wrote 7 months ago

matthewsnyder‭ Right now we already have far more proposals than the total number of users working with actively supporting any proposal. The purpose of this Incubator thing shouldn't be a place where people drop a new wild idea every week then leave - that's not constructive or helpful. So it would be nice if those wild brainstorming zero activity proposals are moved somewhere where they aren't disruptive to the few proposals that are actually having some activity.