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Welcome to the staging ground for new communities! Each proposal has a description in the "Descriptions" category and a body of questions and answers in "Incubator Q&A". You can ask questions (and get answers, we hope!) right away, and start new proposals.

Are you here to participate in a specific proposal? Click on the proposal tag (with the dark outline) to see only posts about that proposal and not all of the others that are in progress. Tags are at the bottom of each post.

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Every question in the Incubator Q&A category should have 1 or more tags for a proposed community, so that it is clear which community or communities the question is intended for.

Currently it is possible to add a question without adding a proposed community tag. Could the presence of such a tag be made mandatory, in the same way as the mandatory tags on Codidact's Meta categories must have at least 1 applied?

The Codidact Proposals Meta category also does not have any mandatory tags, unlike other Codidact communities' Meta catagories. Should this also be changed?

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Not saying this is a bad idea, but it will put a load on the admin team because adding a tag to the r... (7 comments)
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I disagree. We should allow people to ask questions that don't fall under any existing proposal.

  • Proposal tags can always be added later, it's easy to do even in bulk (especially if an API is implemented).
  • Proposals are easier to compose when you already have a bunch of existing questions that would fall under your proposal.
  • Requiring this would not stop people from asking oddball questions, it would instead encourage one-off, poorly thought out proposal that clutter up the proposals list (this would be less of a problem if the proposal UX was improved, such as by adding the ability to rank proposals by activity/interest). Since the person is mainly interested in getting a question answered, not creating a proposal (which takes a lot more thought) it's logical to expect that they would put only the minimum effort in for creating a proposal to make the mods stop harassing them. The user community gains little from this pointless ritual.
  • Nobody is going to die or abandon this site because there's a few untagged questions. It will actually encourage more participation, especially at the current low-activity phase, by removing barriers to exchange of knowledge and mutual learning.
  • The incubator is always going to be big hodge podge of questions because it mixes many proposals together. When one proposal accumulates too many questions it's supposed to be promoted into a full site, removing those from the incubator. The proposal-less questions are really making things significantly worse.
  • Having one place for off-topic questions means all the other sites accumulate much fewer barely on-topic questions. People don't need to stretch the definition of scope if they can just go to this other place where everything is in-scope.

Also, I was one of the people who asked for an incubator section where real questions could be asked and answered, in contrast to StackExchange's Area51 that only allowed example question titles but not descriptions or answers. I won't take credit for it, because I wasn't the only one asking, as I recall admins shared that this was something that they had also thought about previously, and I didn't actually implement any of the code. But I did post some arguments in favor. From the very beginning, I tried to frame it as not just a test bed for proposals but also a space for free form discussion on topics that are not worth creating a proposal to cover them.

In my opinion the incubator has a dual purpose: To showcase example Q/A for existing proposals, but also to provide a space for "off-topic" questions that don't fall under any existing proposal, and perhaps never will be on account of them being esoteric. I think this dual purpose is a valuable thing, it stands to seriously boost the growth of this site and benefit its users, and it is not doing any great harm (we can already easily filter by tags - maybe the devs can add a "questions with a proposal tag only" filter). It would be disappointing if the decision was made to negate this dual purpose. The goal of this site should be first to serve the community of askers and answerers, not to expand its bureaucracy to meet the needs of its expanding bureaucracy.

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trichoplax‭ wrote about 1 year ago

There have been previous suggestions that we could have a place to ask questions that are not on topic anywhere else:

The discussions there may influence opinions on this post, but bear in mind that most of the discussion there predates the introduction of proposals.codidact.com

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago

And as I already argued in the linked thread, how do we moderate questions when there is no scope, no rules, no posting guidance, no expertise? With no rules it is anarchy.codidact.com.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago

"Proposal tags can always be added later, it's easy to do even in bulk" Well what if the posts don't match the scope of the site now, because community consensus of what the community should be about has switched? The Q&A will not be a list of good questions to bring to the new site at launch, it will be a list of bad questions to weigh the community down.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago

"Proposals are easier to compose when you already have a bunch of existing questions that would fall under your proposal." Everyone and their mother are already creating proposals at rapid pace then far from everyone follows up, but just leave the proposals there to freeze to death. Seems to me it needs to be harder to create them, not the other way around.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago

"Requiring this would not stop people from asking oddball questions" No but is the goal of Codidact to answer any question any human can ask at any time? I think no such ambition exists. There will always be oddballs and oddball questions, but we need not necessarily provide a forum for everything in the whole world. Again, that's the foundation for low quality/Quora 2. If you want that, then why aren't you just using Quora/Reddit then? Endless threads of random topics with little or no concern for quality - it already exists.

matthewsnyder‭ wrote about 1 year ago

how do we moderate questions when there is no scope

If the question is intelligible and it is clear what's being asked, and it seems feasible that someone could give an adequate answer of reasonable length, then I would consider it good enough.

no rules, no posting guidance, no expertise?

These don't follow. Scope is just one small part of what makes a good question.

Honestly, you seem more concerned about reducing activity than encouraging it, and about improving the moderator experience rather than the average user's experience. That's fine - I disagree but we're all entitled to our own opinion. However, if it was plain to me that this site support such an attitude, I would not want to use it, and I suspect quite a few other people wouldn't as well.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago

matthewsnyder‭ I'm concerned about increasing quality activity - all activity is not necessarily good or constructive. Random people asking random questions about random topics is nothing unique to Codidact nor is it particularly valuable - it is not a selling argument about why someone should post on Codidact specifically. In fact lots of the inactive Codidact communities have severe problems with activity partially caused by some single vocal user who starts to post a lot of low quality, borderline on-topic questions, to the point where it hides everything else away. In case you enter a site and all you see are heavily down-voted, bad questions - then that scares away a lot of the more sensible users.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago

Rather: Codidact should be about gathering a group of individuals with a common interest about something into a community about that topic. Then gather interesting, helpful, quality content there - at the interest of those part of the community. If that would somehow scare away certain people because of the community building "attitude", then good riddance. The Ornithologist community would do better without some John Doe stopping by to ask "hey I saw this animal with 2 wings what is it".

matthewsnyder‭ wrote about 1 year ago

it is not a selling argument about why someone should post on Codidact specifically

I wonder why you say this. This would be one of my top 3 reasons to use this site. Maybe I'm just a very unusual user.

In case you enter a site and all you see are heavily down-voted, bad questions

This wasn't an issue for me when I started using this site. Other people's bad questions don't affect my ability to ask good questions.

After a while, though, I started noticing many cases when new users ask questions (not always perfectly posed which I consider understandable on a site that has not reached critical mass), and the regulars spend a lot of energy in chiding them for procedural matters, while few are actually trying to answer the question. This I would say is a bigger repellent than the downvoted questions you mention. It makes it seem like the point of the site is to play a game of "see if you can follow all the rules" rather than sharing knowledge.

Lundin‭ wrote about 1 year ago

matthewsnyder‭

Random people asking random questions about random topics... This would be one of my top 3 reasons to use this site.

Okay. It would probably be one of my top 3 reasons to avoid the site. I'm not interested in reading a flood of random questions about anything.

Other people's bad questions don't affect my ability to ask good questions.

It may affect other people's interest in contributing and moderating however.

We basically just have two rules: be nice and be on-topic. If someone posts questions about pony riding below Physics because "ponies follow the laws of physics", then that's a bad, off-topic question. And as such, borderline disrespectful to the Physics community. If someone volunteered to be a moderator on that site, they now have to spend time moderating pony riding questions instead.