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Comments on Starting with 2014 "+" signs and 2015 "−" signs, you delete signs until one remains. What’s left?

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Starting with 2014 "+" signs and 2015 "−" signs, you delete signs until one remains. What’s left? Question

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A large whiteboard has 2014 "+" signs and 2015 "−" signs written on it. You are allowed to delete two of the symbols and replace them according to the following two rules.

If the two deleted symbols are the same, then replace them by "+".

If the two deleted symbols are different, then replace them by "−".

You repeat this until there is only one symbol left.

Which symbol is it? Justify your answer.


Attribution: UK Mathematical Olympiad for Girls 2014

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Withdrawn -- this is incorrect.

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You can produce whichever outcome you want.

method 1

Start by collapsing most of this away.

Delete 2014 "-" in pairs. We now have 3021 "+" and 1 "-".

Delete 1 "-" and 1 "+". We now have 3020 "+" and 2 "-".

Delete the two "-". We now have 3021 "+" and 0 "-".

Everything is now "+" and deleting two of the same results in a "+". There's no way for "-" to re-enter, so if we keep doing this, we'll eventually end up with 1 "+".

method 2

What happens if we start by deleting (pairwise) 2014 of each? We end up with 0 "+" and 2015 "-".

We delete 2014 "-" pairwise, ending up with 1007 "+" and 1 "-".

We can obviously delete the "-" and one "+" and reduce to the previous method. Instead, let's collapse the "+"s. "++" reduces to "+" and we can keep doing that until we're down to 1 "+" and 1 "-". Deleting them results in a "-".

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will.octagon.gibson‭ wrote about 2 months ago

There is an issue with method 1 step 2:

You selected “+” and “-“. These get deleted and then you get a new “-“. So the number of “-“ remains the same. It does not increase as you stated.

There is a different issue with method 2 step 1:

You repeatedly select “++”. The first time you do this, you reduce the number of “+” from 2014 to 2013. Next time the number of “+” is 2012. Eventually you get down to 2 “+” which you can reduce to a single “+”. But now you can’t reduce the number of “+” to zero by selecting 2 “+” because you only have a single “+”.

Try again!

Monica Cellio‭ wrote about 2 months ago

Whoops indeed! You know, I did the first part and got an answer, then decided to be properly rigorous to see if that was the only answer or if I could do the other one too, then botched it. :-)

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