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Comments on House-level battery backup now, solar panels later -- what do I need to know?

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House-level battery backup now, solar panels later -- what do I need to know? Question

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In the last few years my area has seen increased power outages -- usually a few hours, occasionally longer. I'd like to defend against these better so that a poorly-timed outage doesn't ruin my whole day. I'm thinking, in particular, of whole-house battery backup.

I know that this kind of battery is routinely part of solar systems (else your solar panels wouldn't be much good at night). I do want to upgrade to solar, but my roof is nearing the end of its life and I don't want to have to pay for installing panels, then lifting them for a new roof, and then reinstalling them. I'm willing to wait until it's time to replace the roof anyway and then add solar panels.

What can I do in the meantime to improve my backup-power situation? Ideally I would like to be able to power heat or cooling, the fridge, some lights, and a few computers for up to 24 hours in the event of a power outage. If I buy the battery part of a solar system now, then am I risking expensive incompatibility in a few years when it's time to add the panels? Or is the risk there something that a qualified electrician could handle for me? Is there some other UPS-like system that I could wire into my house?

I don't want to hook up a gas-powered generator. In addition to the extra maintenance hassles there, I live in a city, the neighbors are close, and generators are loud.

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The trick is getting everything to work together. Typical solar (without battery) installations actually work with the grid. If you generate more power than you need, the balance goes to the utility and you get some money for it. This is net metering.

The problem is that it is grid-tied - if the power goes out then you very likely have no power at all. That's because the system is designed to synchronize with utility power. No utility power and it doesn't know what to do and shuts off. If it stayed on, the power would be going out and zap utility workers. (The same problem happens if you use a generator and don't cut off the utility connection, which is why you need a generator interlock or a transfer switch if you connect a generator to your breaker panel.)

Battery backup solves the problem because it is designed to charge when utility power is on and discharge when utility power is off. If you use solar (off-grid) then it charges when solar is on and discharges when solar is off (night). But getting enough battery backup to power peak loads is not easy or cheap. Plus your battery backup is typically designed for a day or so of power. Power outages can last longer than that, so there is a natural inclination to pair them with some additional power source, which can include solar, generator (but then you are paying for a generator that is only used in some outages) or the latest is vehicle-to-grid if you have an EV that can do that.

So utility power + battery backup + solar is a very natural pairing. It is quite different from a totally off-grid battery + solar setup as then the batteries are cycling frequently (every night) and you size your system based on peak loads.

With utility + battery + solar, you size based on necessary loads and manage accordingly during an outage, just as you would with a small (not whole-house) generator. Which is not a big deal - refrigerator, computers, lights are all small loads. With a reasonably sized backup you can also run HVAC (except electric resistance heat, but hopefully you don't have that), some cooking appliances, even the clothes dryer - you just might need to turn off one large appliance before you turn on another. The great thing is that if you have solar and manage well, you could do just fine for an extended blackout as long as the sun still shines for several hours each day and you manage your power well. If the power goes out the day before Thanksgiving, you may have to skip the turkey (ovens use a lot of power), but at least you can leave it in the freezer and know you have enough power to keep it running.

The bottom line is in the control electronics. This sits between solar, battery and utility to manage everything. There is no fundamental reason you can't have a system which handles it all, includes a large battery pack, and does not require solar. However, a company that sells packages based primarily on solar panels may not be interested in selling you that equipment. You can't just "roll your own" - for safety reasons it all has to be done right to avoid backfeeding the utility grid, and if you want to add solar in the future the utility will likely have rules as to certain key specifications of the system that you will need to plan for at the beginning to avoid extra costs.

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Thanks. I was assuming that solar would involve a grid interface; I'm not trying to go off-grid enti... (2 comments)
Thanks. I was assuming that solar would involve a grid interface; I'm not trying to go off-grid enti...
Monica Cellio‭ wrote over 1 year ago

Thanks. I was assuming that solar would involve a grid interface; I'm not trying to go off-grid entirely. I've heard of setups where there's solar, a household battery that works during outages, and the ability to sell power back to the grid. This is what I assume I would end up with later.

(Heat is gas-powered radiator heat, so electricity is needed to pump the hot water through the system. I also assume that during an extended outage, we would adjust the thermostat in the uncomfortable direction as much as possible.)

manassehkatz‭ wrote over 1 year ago

Solar doesn't have to involve a grid interface, but that's the normal way to do it, unless you are off-grid, of course. Gas heat (whether radiator or forced air) is a good match for running on batteries or a small generator. Similarly, if you have a gas cooktop or gas hot water heating then that is great for outages too. High-efficiency heat pumps are definitely becoming a thing - pays to put one in when replacing air conditioner, and then gas becomes just a backup - in that situation if there is an outage you might switch to just the gas to save electricity. But if reasonably efficient an air conditioner (or a heat pump including in heating mode) can run fine on batteries or a small generator.