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What is the point of police? Question

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Philosophically, what role does police serve in society?

Today, virtually every society has a police force. So, it seems like there must be some compelling reason to have one, i.e. police must serve some unique and critical role in society.

But historically, police forces in the modern sense were rare. There were some similar organizations, but it was not common to have people whose full time job is to go around and arrest any and all law breakers, with special authority to use force where an ordinary person could not. So if police really does have some important role, it is strange that it was not recognized for so many millennia.

Is it possible to derive some philosophical reasoning explaining why police must exist in society, or is it only explainable from historical or political basis?

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It is not so strange. The police as we know it in Western democracies is something that became necessary with the introduction of said democracy. Prior to democracy, the laws would be enforced by those with the power to do so - a King, the aristocracy, the wealthy etc. Often at their own leisure.

There were always laws, but there wasn't always the concept of everyone is equal to the law - this is a relatively recent thing and goes hand in hand with the democratic principle of one person, one vote.

In non-democratic societies, class, wealth and gender will affect your chances of winning the case, as much as evidence of the crime. We can look at modern despotic societies or historical ones in the middle-ages/renaissance. In historical despotic societies, there were no courts but there would be elders/lawmen/noblemen acting as judge and you would have to plead your case yourself. Meaning that skills in rhetoric and general education also affected your ability to win.

However, those who act as judges in a despotic system had peer pressure on them as well. Most rulers no matter society would like to be regarded as just - it's always regarded as positive trait in all cultures. So in case they were prone to nepotism/favouring certain parties, they risked losing face and trust. Essentially the very same thing keeping politicians in check in modern democracies.

In modern despotic societies, there tends to be police and a court system, but very much corrupt. In such counties, you would rather have "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" to quote Orwell/the Animal Farm. If there is no interest in the court case by the ruling party, of you don't challenge it and that it doesn't need to make an example out of you, you might even face something resembling a fair trial. But then the ruling party also makes the laws, so the system is already corrupt at the point when the laws are written.

Evidently, police must not exist for a society or legal system to somewhat function. But a despotic law enforcement is just arbitrary, unfair and corrupted.

You must have a non-corrupt neutral police force and similarly non-corrupt neutral courts, in order to exercise the concept of everyone is equal to the law.

As an example we can look at the many court cases against Donald Trump recently. Or against da Silva and Bolsonaro in Brazil. To make the ruler accountable for breaking the law would have been unthinkable in a despotism or feudal society.

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Peter Taylor‭ wrote 6 months ago

Very little of this answer is about the police, who are separate from the courts; organised police forces predate modern democracy, rather than following it; class, wealth and gender still affect the chances of winning in democracies; advocates to plead someone else's case go back well before the Middle Ages.

Lundin‭ wrote 6 months ago

Peter Taylor‭ In a modern democracy, the police is not separated from the courts. They may not use certain means of investigation such as searching someone's home or tap into the phone wires without permission from the court. Whereas in the middle ages, the town guard could just smash in the door, tear your house down and hang you on the town square without trial, pretty much. Aside from that, this is the philosophy site so the main argument here is that you need a fair police and courts with minimal corruption in order for the principle of everyone is equal to the law. Do you have a counter argument against that?

Peter Taylor‭ wrote 6 months ago

You need fair courts with minimal corruption to execute the principle that everyone is equal before the law, but the existence of fair courts is not predicated on the existence of a professional police force. There is also an element of defining what "police" means: not all police forces have historically been involved in investigation of crime, being concerned rather with keeping the peace; and, to take one of your examples, in some modern democracies searching someone's home is done by officers of the court and not by the police.

Lundin‭ wrote 6 months ago

Peter Taylor‭ You can't have one thing without the other. If those who investigate crime and arrest criminals are corrupt, then the principle doesn't work. As for defining the meaning of police, I think you should ask the OP to do that.

Peter Taylor‭ wrote 6 months ago

Crime can be investigated by judges rather than police: that's essentially the Napoleonic system. Criminals can be arrested by the army or by the general public, as happened before professional police forces.

Lundin‭ wrote 6 months ago

Peter Taylor‭ And if a crime is committed by a high-ranked officer or general of the army? Or by Napoleon?

Peter Taylor‭ wrote 6 months ago

What asymmetry do you claim exists between that scenario and a crime being committed by a high-ranking police officer?

matthewsnyder‭ wrote 6 months ago

In a modern democracy, the police is not separated from the courts.

I think this incorrect. They have very different functions, governance, mandates and means of acquiring staff. The separation is even more pronounced in a modern democracy due to separation of powers.